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The MBTI Comes Calling ...

Courtesy of blue-hobbit (I already knew that she and I have the same MB type ... chances are, most of you won't get the same result):

Click to view my Personality Profile page

The trouble is, it's hard for me to answer these quizzes objectively ... I am a keen amateur student of the MBTI and own several books on the subject, even. But the display on this one is nice because it reflects the fact that my perceiving-judging axis (basically, how organized I am and how much I prefer routine) doesn't show as strong a preference as the other axes.

ETA: It had a "Multiple Intelligences" section too ... so I subbed in a combo results box.


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Nov. 1st, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
I came out an ENTP, which is odd, because I'm definitely an introvert and had always thought of myself as an INTP. Then again, I'm bad at being objective with these things as well.
Nov. 2nd, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)

Sometimes you simply have to go with which profile sounds most like you. I've tested as an INFJ sometimes, but the INFP profile seems a better fit.

I know they had at least one question on what I consider a key point of introvert vs. extrovert, which is how you feel after being exposed to a crowd for a while. Extroverts feel energized or exhilarated, but introverts feel drained and need to seek some time alone.

Nov. 2nd, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
I kind of feel both, I think. I mean, I'm energized but definitely need to veg out.
Nov. 2nd, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)

You might want to look at some profiles, see which sounds more like you.

Here are profiles from a rather strange site ... in one way, I don't like them because the descriptions are value-laden (they use words that most would think of as positive or negative, rather than being neutral), but they ring strangely true to me on the INFP.   INTP   ENTP

These are more tradtional MBTI descriptions of the two types:   INTP   ENTP

Does that help at all? Do you see yourself in any of those?

Nov. 2nd, 2007 11:56 pm (UTC)
I think I'm mostly an INTP then, but with a little more empathy/emotion than described in the second link.
Nov. 3rd, 2007 02:08 am (UTC)

I think the descriptions tend to be of the ultimate "type example," with all four axes run up to 100%. On average, women tend to score higher than men toward Feeling rather than Thinking (although a long-standing male friend of mine is an INFJ, and I think my late father may have been an ENFP).

Nov. 1st, 2007 10:44 am (UTC)
Yep, still an ENFP! Is it wrong of me to wish there were more than two options for some of the questions? Some of them are equally wrong! But then again I guess they ask the same sort of question a number of times over, and average out your answers. But it might be nice to have a sliding scale or something, not just the two polar opposites. Oh well.

Happy 10/31!
Nov. 2nd, 2007 05:57 pm (UTC)

I know what you mean about the binary answers ... but it should all average out. Does the ENFP profile "feel" like you?

Nov. 1st, 2007 03:56 pm (UTC)
it's interesting to note
my Interpersonal score was so low that my Body/Kinesthetic score showed up on the final list instead of it. and my kinesthetic sense = nil. I am exquisitely and paranormally clumsy, to the point of being almost gracefully uncoordinated. if there's a way for me to be clumsy, no matter how improbable, I will manage to accomplish it (the probability rises as the number of possible spectators increases), and yet never really get hurt.

and that still showed up instead of Interpersonal :D
Nov. 2nd, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
Re: it's interesting to note

The definitions I've found for Interpersonal in this theory are disturbing to me because they don't differentiate between introverted and extroverted social skills. People frequently end up telling me their problems, for example, but a lot of the other Interpersonal things have to do with being aggressively social, which I am not. Also, they put "reading body language" under Kinesthetic. I'm good at reading body language, although I'd be hard put to describe exactly what I'm noticing when I'm doing it.

Also, although I'm very clumsy, I got much better after taking Aikido for several years ... and the key thing about Aikido for me vs. other forms of exercise (including other martial arts) was that you learned by working with a more experienced person who, if necessary, moved and pushed your body into the proper positions. This helped me a lot, but wouldn't that be kinesthetic learning?

So although I liked the idea of the multiple intelligences very much, I'm not sure their questions are indicating what they intend.

Nov. 2nd, 2007 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, that definitely seems a lot less clunky than some of the pop-website takes on Meyers-Brigg that I've seen out there -- although it's got the usual problem for me that there are always a ton of questions where the only truly accurate answers would be "Neither" or "Both". ;)

Click to view my Personality Profile page

I do like the way they've got the bar chart showing how far you skew on the sides that you didn't rank on, I haven't seen that before and it does reflect on how I usually wind up INFP, once in a while depending on the phrasing/question choice of the particular test and the state of mind I'm in when playing with it, I've occasionally wound up scoring INTP instead. It does feel to me that INFP is my more natural baseline state, but the INTP side is the persona that I tend to put on in the workplace, school, or even in just a lot of more formal personal interactions: in tarot archetype terms I tend to think I present a more forbidding Queen of Swords front, but at my core I'm really a dreamy, withdrawn Queen of Cups sort.

(That intelligences thing is kind of wacky, though, I'd never have guessed they'd score me so high on music! I adore music and am very passionate about it, but I cannot play a single instrument and my "singing" voice really can't be shown in public for fear of frightening the horses.)
Nov. 2nd, 2007 09:40 pm (UTC)

The whole "intelligences" thing developed as a way to encourage teachers not to despair of kids who didn't seem able to learn via traditional classroom methods and to try alternate methods, so this has more to do with how you'd be comfortable taking input than anything else. And from what you just said, a musical approach would be an excellent way to teach you something, yes?

Sometimes I feel quite Queen of Cups myself ... the Moon has slopped itself liberally over several areas of my birthchart ... but actually I used to read for myself using the Page or Queen of Pentacles, mainly because of the nature elements in the card (I tend to use the Rider-Waite deck or variants of it). More recently I've been using the Queen of Swords because I feel rather sorry for myself - even before this latest fiasco.

You do have a real even split on that T/F axis, don't you? Women with strong T have a big part in my life: my daughter and sister are both INTJ (as is my husband) and my good friend K (and probably other female friends) is an INTP. I noticed earlier on that I was much squishier and more emotional than most of the other female SF&F fans I was encountering, which only encouraged one of the classic wierdnesses of the INFP: the feeling of being somehow "damaged."

This INFP profile nails dozens of the really problematic aspects of INFP-hood ... to an extent that I want to get hold of the pagemaker and whack him/her about the head and shoulders, yelling "How dare you expose all my secret pain, you bastard!"

Nov. 2nd, 2007 10:06 pm (UTC)
And from what you just said, a musical approach would be an excellent way to teach you something, yes?

It depends on what that input is attempting to teach, really. If you're trying to teach me to play an instrument, or sing a song without sounding like a frog dying of emphysema, or identify a note by ear, I will fail utterly. I don't think I really have any sort of sense of pitch and the more mathematical aspects of music, when I hear musicians trying to explain that stuff my brain just sort of falls over and holds up the white flag. But I will remember the general melody and rhythms, and as a more word person than music-technique person I will latch on to the lyrics pretty easily; possibly as strongly or maybe slightly more so than just from reading (although I've memorized quite a bit of poetry for fun, and have huge amounts of stuff that's half-memorized just from constant immersion). But I also have a very, very strong visual memory for printed material, which is why the kinesthetic stuff was hard to give a yes-no answer on: ideally I want to have the visual input of charts and written instructions AND the muscle-memory learning of sitting down and doing something directly.
Nov. 2nd, 2007 10:32 pm (UTC)

Err, nope, is not what I mean ... >thinks< ... OK, so Mathematical was way low for you. If someone was trying to get you to memorize some mathemetical theorems, would it be easier for you if it was presented as some sort of jazzy little ditty?

Because I myself used to find cut-and-dried stuff a lot easier if it was presented as lyrics to a tune (for example, to the tune of "Scarborough Fair," from my Latin class days: "Ab, cum, de, ex, in, sub all take the ab-la-tive case ... "), which would be a musical approach, or as some sort of word puzzle or joke: SOH CAH TOA, the trigonometic volcanic island (derivations of the sine, cosine, and tangent: sine = opposite over hypotenuse, cosine = adjacent over hypotenuse, tangent = opposite pver adjacent), which would be a verbal/linguistic approach.

See, I can't do rote memorization of lists at all ... but I remember song lyrics really well! Ditto spellings of weird names, or a pun, or a joke ... much easier to remember than a list or a logical derivation.

But I don't necessarily agree with how they've broken down these categories - see my note to Moira, above, for instance.

Nov. 3rd, 2007 02:12 am (UTC)
Eh, maybe, maybe not, I'm thinking probably not? I don't have a problem with rote memorization per se if it's subject matter that appeals to me -- I've got some very long poems in my head, and song lyrics work for me because I think the mental recall of the melody and rhythms of the music helps reinforce the recall of the rhythms of the words themselves, and vice versa. But just give me a list of something much more dry and abstract, be it a list of dates or nurbers or a formula or whatever, and I think a tune would probably not be of a great deal of help -- about the only case I can think of where I use anything musical as a mnemonic aid for something other than song lyrics is one where the lyric itself is the memory aid (that goofy old Andrews Sisters song about the spelling of "Mississippi".) I'm so much more of a word person than a music person that the few mnemonics that have tended to stick with me enough to be useful have tended to be things like the initial-letter-of-list-into-goofy-phrase sort. But even with those I'll often find myself struggling to remember one or two of the specific items, even when the phrase has spotted me that first letter as a reminder!

The problem really isn't that I don't have a good memory, I think it's more that said memory really likes to latch on to things that it finds interesting and strongly resists attempts at being made to retain stuff it finds dull or ugly or nonsensical. And sadly, anything with numbers tends to fall in that area -- I have a horrible time even learning my own phone number when it's changed, unless I can choose it beforehand based on some keypad-letter translation that's meaningful to me! The only math that I ever found even slightly interesting or enjoyable was the more basic level of geometry, which I could relate to as an artist and craftsperson; that felt less like abstract number garbage and more like concrete, visual-spatial stuff that I was familiar with from designing/working on things.
Nov. 3rd, 2007 02:36 am (UTC)

Ah, well, so much for that idea!

In any case, it was only meant to be an example (although it quickly ran away from me, as you can see).

With me, my memory for lyrics reminds me of my memory for getting to places I have been before (which I think they decided came under "visual/spatial") - as I see each bit of scenery before me, the next bit sort of "cues up" in my head. Similarly, when I hear one line of a song, the next line shows up ready to go.

I struggled frantically with math all through high school and college (at first I thought I wanted to major in chemistry ... ). I didn't really nail the concept of how percentages related to fractions until I started working as a copy editor and learned how to re-size figures. Suddenly, with a physical model before me, in started making sense.

Then I went back to school for my computer degree, and made myself re-take calculus - and got an A. This is because my mother-in-law, who is a very talented adult education teacher, ran a series of diagnostic tests on me beforehand, and concluded that to do math, I needed to work though multiple example problems, and that if the text didn't break out the examples clearly enough, with plenty of white space around them so I could really concentrate on them, then I would need to outline the material myself so it looked like that.

(To be truthful, I doubt I now recall any of that calculus course ... it's more than a decade ago, at this point, and I haven't used it since ... but I did it!)

Nov. 3rd, 2007 02:48 am (UTC)
Ah, no, I think I see where you were going with it, I'm familiar with the idea of how the different learning styles should be approached -- it's just that the questions they had here I think gave the misleading impression that I'm a musical learner, instead of more a visual/spatial/physical person who just happens to love music a lot. It's like your remark on the extroverted v. introverted social skills, I get that a lot too -- people seem to think I'm a good listener and easy to talk to, I read body language pretty well and I've done well in jobs that required presenting a smiling face to the public -- to the point that when I left them people were stunned to hear that I'd hated every second of them! "But you didn't look like you were unhappy", they said. Well, no, it's called acting, and I'm pretty good at it, at least when it comes down to hiding misery and putting on a smiling facade; that was a childhood survival skill.

The kinesthetic thing was similarly misleading for me: my understanding is that kinesthetic learners need to be something physical and motion-based, however unrelated it is to a task, in order to retain info -- knit in a lecture, drum fingers, do a little dance, etc.? That's definitely not me; but I think they scored me high on that because I'm very grounded in my body and senses, touch and texture and muscle memory are all very basic in the artsy-crafty sort of things I do, in cooking I tend to "measure" by eye and handfeel and judge doneness by touch and smell. But I'm also fairly klutzy and uncoordinated and while I can walk or dance for hours, I'm pretty wretched at sports that require more focused, precise sorts of coordination. (And as introvert of course the whole idea of having to work in teams is hellish.)
Nov. 3rd, 2007 03:56 am (UTC)

You with cooking sound somewhat like me ... also I've seen people giving me odd looks when I'm selecting citrus fruit: I do it by weight for size (by hefting it in my hand) and by smell. Works pretty well, actually, but it's hard to explain, especially the heft thing.

Yes, I hated team sports. Paradoxically, perhaps, I like working as part of a team: I like having others to bounce ideas off, and I feel good in meetings when I help facilitate discussion by clarifying what the tongue-tied are trying to say, or helping the shy get their word in by interrupting the "floor" monopolizers on their behalf (I can't do it on my own behalf, but Lord how I love championing someone else ... part of the reason I love Gojyo so much, and Yukimura in SDK).

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