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Uh Oh, She Shouldn't Have Said That!

"For the first time in a long time, I was totally relaxed, sure that nothing was going to ruin my good mood."

— October (Toby) Daye at the start of Chapter 2 of The Winter Long, vol. 8
of the October Daye series by Seanan McGuire (a/k/a Mira Grant)

Toby never learns, does she?

(Also, I still can't see "Amy" as a nickname for the name "Amandine" ... plus, to me, "amandine" is a culinary term that means with almonds.")

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7veilsphaedra
Sep. 16th, 2014 02:17 am (UTC)
Amandine is a version of Amanda, so, if anything, it would be shortened to Mandy.

There is a slight difference in pronunciation of Amandine to separate the girl's name from the almonds. In the girl's name, the second syllable is emphasized and the faintest whisper of a final 'a' is added at the end. It almost-but-not-quite sounds like a-MAN-dina. Whereas the third syllable bears the accent in the Amandine which connotes pastries or other food bearing almonds.

ETA: Of course, I'm in favour of people calling themselves whatever nickname they want, and if they don't like being called "Mandy", then they have every right to change it to "Amy." Personally, I like Mandy Patankin, the actor/singer/dancer, so much and think he's so talented, I would never object to having his name.

Edited at 2014-09-16 02:20 am (UTC)
oonaseckar
Sep. 16th, 2014 07:04 am (UTC)
I was going to say, 'I always get Mandy Patinkin confused with the guy in the Criminal Minds show.' Then I checked, and, err...
7veilsphaedra
Sep. 16th, 2014 08:39 pm (UTC)
*Laughs*

As a young teenager, I developed a (very hidden, very secret) crush on his Inigo Montoya. Then I saw him as Ché on Broadway. Of course he wasn't the characters he played, but what characters!
chomiji
Sep. 17th, 2014 01:46 am (UTC)

I guess, given that "Amy" is from the same root (i.e., the Latin for "love"), the author thought it made sense. The trouble is, most nicknames come from how the name sounds, not its origins/roots. For example, we call our daughter "Cara," although her real name is Caroline: it just sort of happened, by the time she was home from the hospital as an infant.

Our nephew is nicknamed Ben, but that's actually from his initials. I call him by it, but I refuse to write it as an acronym, in all caps.

I love Mandy Patinkin!

7veilsphaedra
Sep. 17th, 2014 06:25 am (UTC)
I agree. Amy's an unusual choice for shortening the name Amandine. Again, I think it's probably because the author just didn't like the sound of Mandy, or probably had negative connotations with the name. (Maybe she just didn't like the Barry Manilow song.)

I also prefer Cara to Carol as it has a softer sound. Ben was one of the names I was considering if I had had a boy instead of a girl.
oonaseckar
Sep. 16th, 2014 07:03 am (UTC)
It's not 'almandine'? Well, that's just confusing.
chomiji
Sep. 17th, 2014 12:33 am (UTC)

Yeah, no - "amandine." As in "trout amandine," or as flemmings says below in 100% French, "truite amandine." (She also explains the word's history as a name.)

We don't really need the "l" in English, either — I don't usually pronounce it when I said "almond."

flemmings
Sep. 16th, 2014 01:03 pm (UTC)
Yes! to the pastry term. The explanation above explains, but I thought McGuire was bats for calling someone that I associate with truite. I had no notion it was a legit woman's name.

(It seems to be what the French did with the johnny-come-lately English name Amanda, which dates to the late 17th century.)
chomiji
Sep. 17th, 2014 01:49 am (UTC)

Re Amanda --> Amandine: that makes sense, There are a number of women's names that work that way, from common ones like Caroline to odder examples such as Reynardine.

7veilsphaedra
Sep. 16th, 2014 08:51 pm (UTC)
(For that matter, why not "Dinah"?)
chomiji
Sep. 17th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)

Do you pronounce that "Dee-nah" or "Dye-nah"?

7veilsphaedra
Sep. 17th, 2014 06:17 am (UTC)
Dye-nah definitely, because I'm assuming this story takes place in a predominately English-speaking place. If it was France, Amandine would shorten her "Amy" to "Aimee".
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